Daring to Say Loans Made No Sense - Makes Sense- NYT

"as is often the case, only after fiery markets burn out do we see the risks that buyers ignore and sellers play down."

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With all the spin going every which way about the now almost worthless mortgage backed securities and the banks that sold them, I think one of the only ways to help us all get through this mess without doing stupid things we will regret might be for ALL of us to take just a few moments of quality time to listen to one of the ONLY media descriptions out there that really tells it like it is.

The 2007 episode of NPR's "This American Life" "The Giant Pool of Money."

Its been in the news quite a bit recently.

The New York Times did an article today, "Daring to Say Loans Made No Sense" praising "The Giant Pool of Money"  as one of the very best pieces of journalism on the mortgage securities collapse (and its also their most downloaded episode ever)

Update [2008-9-30 20:41:55 by architek]: Wondering why many Republicans opposed the last "bailout"? They are proposing a plan that IS FAR WORSE.

This American Life's folks have been working on a follow up to "The Giant Pool of Money" and the New York Times article says that its going to air next week.

As the assumptions that had blown air into the bubble began to dissipate, many mainstream reports became increasingly skeptical in their reporting and blogs like Calculated Risk offered increasingly alarming insights.

After large-scale financial disasters, the press is usually criticized — often justly — for ignoring the problem, but it’s hard to make that case with the subprime mess. If no one saw this coming, they were not looking.

“This has been a very slow-moving train wreck,” said Andrew Leckey, director of the center for business journalism at Arizona State University. “But it came wrapped in the warm feelings of home ownership while the executives behind it used obfuscation and a lack of transparency to lie about how deeply they were in the subprime business.”

As Mr. Davidson and Mr. Blumberg showed, there’s more than one way to get behind the lies. Using an ad they placed on Craigslist — “Were you employed in the subprime mortgage industry?” — the pair proceeded to assemble a remarkably likable rogues gallery of participants up and down the subprime food chain. One was Clarence Nathan, who sounded like a nice guy, but his house was in foreclosure, and he did not have full-time employment. He had no assets to speak of, and yet he received a loan for $450,000.

And then Mr. Blumberg asked Mr. Nathan the stupid question: “Would you have loaned you the money?”

Mr. Nathan answered: “I wouldn’t have loaned me the money. And nobody I know would have loaned me the money. I know guys who are criminals who wouldn’t loan me that, and they break kneecaps.”

An alternative URL is http://www.thisamericanlife.org/Radio_Episode.aspx?sched=1242
A PDF transcript of the show is here.

Poll
Have you listened to NPR's mindblowing "The Giant Pool of Money" yet?
Yes, and it was a real eye opener. I realize now just how risky those investments were and how obscene the whole bailout concept is given that.
Yes, but I think we should buy into the Ponzi scheme anyway
Yes, but I didn't understand if it was talking about the same problems I see on TV, the whole thing sounded so .. sketchy..
No, but I am going to listen to it now, so I don't forget.
No, Ive already made up my mind to support the bailout - If my $2000 or more will help pay for the champagne to keep flowing ts worth it.
No, no comment

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Re: Daring to Say Loans Made No Sense - Makes Sens (none / 0)

Great post!

If we do not let the free market punish the investment banks no lessons will be learned.

Tough love is good for the family and good for the markets!


by zoim on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 06:15:56 PM EST

Trickle down economics don't work.. (none / 0)

which is probably why the economy always does far better under Democratic than Republican administrations.

People can't be stolen from and lied to indefinitely..

Why are they SO afraid of America finding out the truth?

Is it THAT ugly?


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:34:25 PM EST
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and yet. . . (none / 0)

As this has and probably will (especially if there is no rescue plan) show, unfettered free markets are bad for the country.

Go figure.


by shalca on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 09:39:25 PM EST
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If I would venture a guess.... (2.00 / 0)

Is it THAT ugly?

Probably, yes.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 07:51:31 PM EST

You can't lay the blame on the borrowers. (2.00 / 1)

Despite the fact that there was rampant predatory lending (and many investigations looking into it as we speak), where banks would pay people to go out to poor communities and convince people that refinancing their fixed rate mortgage to a variable one was a smart move, the fact remains that the responsibility and power lies with the lender.

Would you loan me $25,000?  Probably not, because you don't know who the hell I am.  Banks have the same dilemma, and use extensive credit checks, and interviews, and character witnesses and collateral to figure out someone's worthiness to receive a loan.  Because of a housing boom, the banks stopped caring.  They sought out sub-prime borrowers with a vengeance, charging them high interest rates and fees.  And if they defaulted, no problem, their house was now significantly more than when they bought it and the bank would still make a profit.  It was an enormous risk, because that bubble could burst at any moment (and it did).  An individual puts trust that a bank would not loan him money he couldn't afford to pay back.  That trust was exploited.

So please don't imply that borrowers had more responsibility in this than lenders.


by shalca on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 09:55:20 PM EST


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