Is My Money Safe?

I debated back and forth about posting this here.  It is something that I wrote for my personal blog.  I work as an accountant, and a lot of my friends were asking me what they should about their banking.

In the end, I decided to post it here.  If anything, deposit insurance is a great example of how progressive politics can be implemented in a way that minimizes individual risk through an efficient governmental structure.  And it has proven to be a bedrock of our financial system, which is arguably one of the most robust in the history of the world.

Without further ado, "Deposit Insurance 101:"

FDIC Insurance.  FDIC insurance covers the deposits accounts of member commerical banks, as well as savings and loans.  All FDIC-insurance is per bank, not per account.  So the combined total of all covered accounts at a given bank count towards the limits.  Member institutions guarantee covered accounts up to $100,000 per depositor for most covered accounts.  IRAs are covered separately up to $150,000 per depositor.

What about joint accounts?  Each 'ownership' is insured separately.  Joint account ownership is counted separately from individual ownership, as long as both account holders have full access to withdraw funds.  Each owner is considered to be insured for half of the value of the account.

So an individual person with no joint accounts can be insured for up to $250,000 per bank - up to $100,000 in standard deposit accounts and $150,000 in an IRA.  A couple with a joint account as well as individuals accounts could be insured for up to $350,000 per person:  $100,000 in individually held accounts, $150,000 in an IRA, and $100,000 each in joint accounts.

NCUA Insurance - This is an identical pool of depositor insurance that covers credit unions.  Limits are the same.

Covered and Uncovered Accounts:

The following types of accounts are covered by FDIC / NCUA insurance:

  • savings accounts
  • checking accounts
  • NOW accounts
  • Money Market Deposit Accounts PLEASE NOTE - NOT the same as a Money Market Fund, which is a Mutual Fund
  • Certificates of Deposit

The following types of accounts ARE NOT covered by FDIC / NCUA insurance even if purchased through a commercial bank, savings & loan, or credit union:

  • MONEY MARKET MUTUAL FUNDS
  • Any other kind of mutual fund
  • stocks
  • bonds
  • US Treasury securities
  • Contents of Safe Deposit Boxes
  • Insurance and Annuities

PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE NOTE that a Money Market Deposit Account and a Money Market Fund are two different things and only the MMDA is coverd by deposit insurance.  If you hold a Money Market account through your bank, I strongly encourage you to double check and determine which kind of account you own.

Is there any protection for stocks, bonds, mutual funds, and money market funds?

The Securites Investor Protection Corporation (SIPC) covers brokerage accounts in the event that a broker/deal fails and/or brokerage malfeasance occurs.  However, please note that this IS NOT a version of the FDIC or NCUA.

When a brokerage fails, SIPC returns cash and assets held to their owners.  In the case of malfeasance (illegal commingling of funds, fraud, theft, etc.), SIPC will cover up to $500,000 in brokerage assets.

SIPC does not insure the value of a given share of stock, only the existence of the share of stock.  If a stock, mutual fund, money market, or bond loses value and/or defaults, that is NOT covered by SIPC.  When it comes to investing, you pays your money, you takes your chances.

So I can lose out on a Money Market Account?

Easy answer:  Maybe.

Long answer:  If you have a money market account through a bank or credit union, check with them to see if it insured (an MMDA) or uninsured (a mutual fund).    If it is an uninsured money market mutual fund, it might be covered.  According to this NY Time article http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/20/busine ss/20moneys.html the Treasury department is setting up a voluntary form of coverage that money market funds can choose to opt into.  I haven't seen any other details on it, so I would take it with a grain of salt and confirm with the mutual fund itself.

I really hope this was helpful to people.  There's really no reason to engage in a bank rush.  At the same time, it is important to understand which part of your portfolio is insured and what isn't.

Please note that I compiled this information myself, using the FDIC and NCUA websites, the NY Times website, and my own understanding gathered through a couple of years of auditing and a couple of courses on finance and banking in business school.  I double-checked most of it against wikipedia in order to get independent verification and make sure my numbers were current.  I don't mind if you share this, but I'd appreciate a link back if you do.



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Thanks for the info... (2.00 / 1)

Do you do accounting for businesses or just private clients?

Are any of your business clients worried or even seeing an effect of a credit crunch?

There seems to be an argument going on here if the crisis is just hype or....


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:23:58 PM EST

Re: Thanks for the info... (2.00 / 1)

I work as an auditor, mostly for small and mid-size private companies.  I have not yet heard first-hand of any credit-crunchiness, but this is a slow time of year for me.

My personal opinion is that without some sort of assistance, a credit crunch would be extremely likely, especially for individuals with 'okay' but not 'great' credit, and small/medium businesses without excellent banker relationships.

However, I honestly am not sure what the best form is for that assistance to take.  Honestly, I feel like this is one of those circumstances where "opinions are like a**holes."  I think that there are a lot of potential solutions, and all are highly imperfect.


by Dreorg on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:43:36 PM EST
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Re: Thanks for the info... (2.00 / 0)

I feel like this is one of those circumstances where "opinions are like a**holes."  I think that there are a lot of potential solutions, and all are highly imperfect.

Yup, lots of us YAHOOS here with opinions aplenty  and nothing to back them up with but our egos...

But, I doubt there IS a perfect solution to this, it's just a matter of finding the most palatable one, I guess.

I am of the opinion, hoping the free market just miraculously pulls us out of this is sort of the the same voodoo belief that got us into this mess.


On Nov 4th, Barack Obama officially ends the Southern Strategy....
by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:50:59 PM EST
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I am glad (2.00 / 1)

you posted this here. Most people have no idea what is covered.


Washington Woman

Progressive Blue

by kevin22262 on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:30:21 PM EST

Re: I am glad (2.00 / 2)

Thanks.  I appreciate it.


by Dreorg on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 05:45:03 PM EST
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