WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes

Crossposted at The Motley Moose

Another day of WTF as everyone tries to figure out what this complete financial and political debacle means for their homes, their jobs, and their pensions.

A bit of historical insight from Howard Fineman which some of you might have missed in yesterday's welter of bad economic news: Bailout Ushers in the Era of Obama

Fineman has articulated clearly something I've been suspecting all along since the amazing bailout debacle of the last few days: this is the death knell of Modern Republicanism.

Even if Sen. Barack Obama loses the presidential election -- and of course he may -- the playing field of our politics now has shifted seismically in his philosophical direction.

The era of cowboy capitalism has died, largely of self-inflicted wounds. Who knows what's coming now? I do: A new era of tight business regulation and government intervention in the markets.

For now, and perhaps for many years, there will be no going back.

Fineman then traces back the beginnings of Modern Conservatism to Reagan, Hayek and the contention that Government intervention only made things worse.

These laissez faire chickens are now coming home to roost. It is Wall Street, which has cashed in on a tide of deregulation, that is now coming cap and hand to the government. The hypocrisy is stunning. As Nouriel Roubini, who foresaw this whole crisis, writes:

This is again a case of privatizing the gains and socializing the losses; a bailout and socialism for the rich, the well-connected and Wall Street

This has many echoes to me - though writ on a much larger scale - of the crisis of British Conservatism after the downfall of Thatcher. The Conservative Party was then a coalition of two forces: social authoritarians who opposed all the liberal expressions of what they called the 'permissive society', and economic libertarians who preached a Hayekian view of small government and minimal intervention.

For a while they stuck together, but as soon as their interests diverged, and in the crisis of how to pursue Britain's role in the European Union, the coalition fell apart catastrophically. The Conservatives went on to lose the next three elections

I see a different but parallel version of that in the ideological and fiscal bankruptcy of the Republican Party today. The bizarre shotgun marriage of McCain and Palin is one expression of it. The tumultuous and unprecedented revolt of House Republicans against the plan of their President is another.

I see a long term collapse and near civil war among these divergent forces: but I'm a Brit watching from afar - though subject to the same credit crunch and potential depression as you all. Do you see the same thing as I do?

Update [2008-9-30 13:28:9 by brit]: I've just noticed a very similar theme, with more background knowledge, is developed by a Guardian Columnist who has a new diary here on MYDD.
Poll
Is the financial calamity on the money markets a sign of
The beginning of a Palinesque Rapture
A crisis in capitalism
The collapse of modern conservative philosophy
A question of confidence
The inevitable bursting of a 15 year bubble

Votes: 36
Results : Vote Link : Polls

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Re: WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes (2.00 / 3)

You are so right. The Republicans will now be split between the radical Christians and the fiscal conservatives, which weren't so conservative, were they? An now that their very foundation, free markets, is in shambles, they will have to build a new foundation which willl take years.


by venician on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 10:33:29 AM EST

Cometh the moment:: cometh the candidate (2.00 / 6)

The other bit of good new is that, in this mess which is so reminiscent of the failure of laissez faire in the 30s, we do have a candidate who understands the SOCIAL preconditions of a sound economy (i.e. healthcare and education) and has the bipartisan skills to form a new FDR like alliance.

I don't even have to name names do I?


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 10:46:31 AM EST
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who? (none / 0)


by FLS on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 11:50:12 AM EST
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what? (2.00 / 0)

where? when?


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:08:37 PM EST
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Why? (2.00 / 0)

How?


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:35:40 PM EST
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Because (2.00 / 0)


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:19:47 PM EST
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Oh (2.00 / 1)

I see.


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:33:41 PM EST
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No (none / 0)

you don't seem to


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 03:20:45 PM EST
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Really? (2.00 / 0)

It's that bad?


The pebbles have voted and the avalanche has begun.

President-Elect "That One"

by Dracomicron on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 03:29:28 PM EST
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Fear (2.00 / 0)

Monger


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 08:44:17 PM EST
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You're echoing exactly what I was saying (2.00 / 2)

at the beginning of the year.

I think it will work out well for all of us - we need to have the checks and balance of two healthy parties - but it will take years.  The GOP needs to be completely torn down and rebuilt, the House rebellion is a sign of how far along that process (the tearing down) is, and after McCain loses the blood will really start to flow.


Motley Moose: Progress Through Politics
by chrisblask on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:00:12 PM EST
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And let's not forget the third part... (2.00 / 1)

...of the unholy trinity, the neocons.  Iraq should spell the end of an aggressive foreign policy.
 
by KTinOhio on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 11:58:52 AM EST

Re: And let's not forget the third part... (2.00 / 1)

Interesting thing with the neocons - do they fit on the libertarian (free markets for all) or authoritarian (american empire) heading?

My personal feeling is they are an easily fractured alliance. In fact it's happened already over Iraq fiasco (e.g. Fukuyama)


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:10:33 PM EST
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Re: WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes (2.00 / 4)

The era of cowboy capitalism has died, largely of self-inflicted wounds. Who knows what's coming now? I do: A new era of tight business regulation and government intervention in the markets.

But, they are not going down without a fight.

I saw Orrin Hatch this morning spinning his ass off about how the solution to this is let the American business sector pulls out of this?

His solution, cut capital gains, cut business taxes, the same old same old....

They may be mortally wounded, but they ain't dead yet!


Our long national nightmare is over...in 17 days!
by WashStateBlue on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:23:00 PM EST

Re: WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes (2.00 / 1)

No not dead. But morally and fiscally bankrupt. Mark Steyn was trying to blame brown people today.

There are no depths to which they will sink BUT...

They're looking so desperate even a five year old gets it.


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 12:27:02 PM EST
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The bailout ISN'T DEAD YET.. (2.00 / 2)

So, stop gloating.

They still have a LOT of power and they DON'T LISTEN TO ANYBODY WHO DOESN'T AGREE WITH THEIR FRAME OF ALL THIS.

On CSPAN's call in show, caller after caller, from all of the party phonelines, DEMANDED that the government abstain from buying this toxic debt at pre-implosion prices and DEMANDED accountability, and LAMENTED the cluenessness of the politicians to even try to GET AWAY with this HUGE RIPOFF, but the show guests wouldn't even admit that the concept was flawed in any way.

They really don't get it. They need to somehow see that this won't fly.

They haven't yet. At all.


Health Care: WHY do we pay MORE and GET LESS?
http://content.healthaffairs.org/cgi/con tent/full/hlthaff.28.1.w1/DC1
by architek on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 03:27:11 PM EST
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Re: WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes (none / 0)

Harry Reid agrees with them. A yahoo finance report this morning states that he has agreed to adding business tax cuts to Bush's bailout plan.


by antiHyde on Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 07:27:35 AM EST
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such a great read (2.00 / 0)

highly rec'd


by Neef on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:18:31 PM EST

Re: WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes (2.00 / 2)


The Party of Taking No Responsibility...takes no responsibility.

And The People has finally had enough of it.

Personally, I don't see the math entirely the way indicated- but close.  Libertarian/moderate Republicans watched as their House Reps decided to screw them in return for Christian Right support on the one thing they care about- the money.

So the Republican run downmarket continues.  They'll truly be The Party of Southern White Christians Over Forty in a year or two....


by killjoy on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:30:25 PM EST

Re: WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes (2.00 / 0)

Watch out!. They aren't going down without a fight and now they are going to use Hillary's strategy and thror the kitchen sink at Obama. Things are about to get very UGLY.


by venician on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 01:34:39 PM EST

You may be right... (2.00 / 1)

...but without resurrecting old ghosts: how well did that strategy work last time?


Now Loose on the Moose
by brit on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 02:44:46 PM EST
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Re: You may be right... (2.00 / 2)

Not very, it's just ugly to watch.


by venician on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 03:00:03 PM EST
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Re: WTF??? Day Two: Republicanism Implodes (2.00 / 2)

I recall having a conversation with my brother-in-law a few years back about market regulation.  He's an executive at a large insurance company and was crowing about how the "Depression-era" legislation was finally being overturned and allowing his company to be more flexible with their finances.  Things like offering securities packages and I think credit cards as well.  My immediate response was - "Well these laws have done pretty well, why should they be overturned."  He didn't like this too much.  It's like that old saying "It's impossible to make someone understand something when their fortunes depend upon their not understanding it."


by the mollusk on Tue Sep 30, 2008 at 04:35:36 PM EST

I only wish (2.00 / 1)

we had a new era of strict regulation in store.  But we shall not get it, because Obama's advisors are the same old neoliberal crap merchants (Bob Rubin) with which we've been saddled for decades, and he will not dare to change that.  As well, the Dems in congress are all suckling the same richly rewarding teats as the repugs, so please, don't anyone hold your breath for say, a reallocation of tax dollars to something better than exotic military hardware and 1,000 bases around the world.  Obama has in the last debate endorsed the criminally stupid and wasteful star wars debacle.  Anyone else notice that?  The best we can hope for is incremental improvement, if any.  Blech!


by ReillyDiefenbach on Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 11:58:39 AM EST

Re: I only wish (none / 0)

Yup, I noticed the Ref to Star Wars.

I only hope he at least reels in the vendors, who seem to define testing according to the results they need, not what actually happened.

Sigh...At least, if the military is going to waste money, how about something that might actually work..


Our long national nightmare is over...in 17 days!
by WashStateBlue on Wed Oct 01, 2008 at 02:00:29 PM EST
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